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>> this was john kerry today. bolder, declaring victory, relieing worried democrats. >> yesterday he showed me he's ready to leave this country. >> reporter: in pennsylvania today, the president tried to overcome doubts about his debate performance by swinging hard at his opponent. in a new line of attack, he failed to use last night but may wish he had, mr. bush accused senator kerry of more confing contradictions on iraq after first voting to authorize the war. some bush supporters at today's rally expected more from the president last night. >> i think he could have been better in another type of format other than the debate. >> reporter: and the white house advisers were spinning a bush debate victory, they were on the defensive today about the president's demeanor last night. the television coverage, he appeared at times irritated, dismissive, frustrated by his challenger. >> he's always been a president and a person who wears his emotion on his sleeve. >> reporter: if some in the white house thought it would
>> this was john kerry today. bolder, declaring victory, relieing worried democrats. >> yesterday he showed me he's ready to leave this country. >> reporter: in pennsylvania today, the president tried to overcome doubts about his debate performance by swinging hard at his opponent. in a new line of attack, he failed to use last night but may wish he had, mr. bush accused senator kerry of more confing contradictions on iraq after first voting to authorize the war. some bush...
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john kerry played mitt romney for the president. not hearing so much with john kerry. we'll check in with that. both candidates threw around big numbers, our own tom foreman joins us with a reality check? >> this is the dominant feature of the entire election, jobs, jobs, jobs, and the first issue these candidates lit into tonight. listen. >> over the last 30 months, we've seen 5 million jobs in the private sector created. the auto industry has come roaring back. and housing has begun to rise. >> they are suffering in this country. and we talk about evidence, lock at the evidence of the last four years, he is absolutely extraordinary. 23 million people out of work. >> you heard the fundamental claim there. the president said he claimed 5 million jobs, mitt romney says not so much. in 2009, this is what the country looked like, everywhere you see a brown state, they were losing jobs in the first full year of barack obama's presidency. unemployment, 10.6%, but three years passed, we saw increases in retail, health care, education, and look at the map today. every state t
john kerry played mitt romney for the president. not hearing so much with john kerry. we'll check in with that. both candidates threw around big numbers, our own tom foreman joins us with a reality check? >> this is the dominant feature of the entire election, jobs, jobs, jobs, and the first issue these candidates lit into tonight. listen. >> over the last 30 months, we've seen 5 million jobs in the private sector created. the auto industry has come roaring back. and housing has...
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i couldn't believe how he just kept taking the punches over and over again, i think john kerry might be enjoying the engineer of his second term right now. and folks at home you have know idea what it was like watching the debates with these folks here. however, i don't necessarily think this is a bad thing. i think barack obama was trying to play out of the john mccainhand book, be cool and restained. what you saw tonight was that approach didn't work and you will see a different strategy the next debate. >> eliot: mitt romney finally cut back to the middle. he wasn't the radical far-right extreme voice. we saw a rational analytical and empathetic mitt romney and president obama did nothing to take that apart. and i'm just amazed that we didn't see a more aggressive cross-examination. >> cenk: going into the debate i thought mitt romney would over do it going for zingers. it turned out president obama overdid it by playing defense too much. we would give way too many numbers, and it seemed like he would want to bore the audience enough that they would change the channel and we would
i couldn't believe how he just kept taking the punches over and over again, i think john kerry might be enjoying the engineer of his second term right now. and folks at home you have know idea what it was like watching the debates with these folks here. however, i don't necessarily think this is a bad thing. i think barack obama was trying to play out of the john mccainhand book, be cool and restained. what you saw tonight was that approach didn't work and you will see a different strategy the...
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mitt romney is now the next massachusetts guy who maybe was a flip-flopper in the past like john kerry. can he close the sale with the american people? this is a referendum on mitt romney all aalong. we already had a referendum on obama. it was the 2010 midterm elections. this is not about what happened in the next four years, but it's about who will do a better job for the next four years. romney needs to present something other than, jie, hasn't obama sucked? you cannot win like that. howard dean would be the democratic nominee and president of the united states if that was the case. you have to give people a reason to vote for you. >> steve, you make pay compelling argument there. the debates, perhaps, michael, the next opportunity and the last opportunity for mitt romney to make this case. both sides have elised memos. this is beth myers of the romney campaign. this is what she says in part. it's clear that president obama will use his ample rhett for cal gifts in debating experience at one end. we expect a 90-minute attack ad. david axelrod not to be outdone by the obama campaign.
mitt romney is now the next massachusetts guy who maybe was a flip-flopper in the past like john kerry. can he close the sale with the american people? this is a referendum on mitt romney all aalong. we already had a referendum on obama. it was the 2010 midterm elections. this is not about what happened in the next four years, but it's about who will do a better job for the next four years. romney needs to present something other than, jie, hasn't obama sucked? you cannot win like that. howard...
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. >> perhaps, john kerry is a skilled debater, but john kerry also wants to be secretary of state. i wonder how tough he went in those sections because that was the charge against david stockman after ronald reagan in '84. that's why reagan, he was too tough on him. >> ifill: can we talk about body language? one of the thinks we remember is the way al exwoar crowded george w. bush and gave him the look or the way someone sighed, the way the two relate standing next to each other. did you get anything watching that? >> i'm not sure there will be a moment easy to repeat over and over again in the next several days, television shows. i do think romney looked aggressive, maybe a little over-aggressive, a bulldozer, kept going, kept going. i thought if maybe there was a slight advantage, at certain times the president looked a little peefd, a little stiff, aybe, but wouldn't say ere was a big difference between the two. >> woodruff: how did you see it? >> i thought romney didn't know when to take the foot off the pedal a couple of times. he just kept going. >> woodruff: he wanted to hav
. >> perhaps, john kerry is a skilled debater, but john kerry also wants to be secretary of state. i wonder how tough he went in those sections because that was the charge against david stockman after ronald reagan in '84. that's why reagan, he was too tough on him. >> ifill: can we talk about body language? one of the thinks we remember is the way al exwoar crowded george w. bush and gave him the look or the way someone sighed, the way the two relate standing next to each other....
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we can presume that john kerry was there. let's look at john kerry's experience in this kind of setting. just go beyond the 2004 debates with then-president bush when john kerry was the democratic challenger. he had a series of debates way back in 1996 when he was a sitting senator with another republican governor of massachusetts who was trying to unseat kerry. his name was bill well. they had three debates actually that were epic in scale. so john kerry is clearly battle tested. the president is going to go to ground. he's had some fund-raisers. he just finished one. he's on his way to senator jay rockefeller's house but on sunday he heads to hend henders nevada. they don't want to be in d.c. for this debate camp as we're calling it around here. training at altitude in nevada, preparing for wednesday night in denver when so much is on the line, martin. >> sounds like a boxing match. nbc's mike viqueira, thank you, sir. we'll be right back to "clear the air." [ female announcer ] born from the naturally sweet monk fruit, som
we can presume that john kerry was there. let's look at john kerry's experience in this kind of setting. just go beyond the 2004 debates with then-president bush when john kerry was the democratic challenger. he had a series of debates way back in 1996 when he was a sitting senator with another republican governor of massachusetts who was trying to unseat kerry. his name was bill well. they had three debates actually that were epic in scale. so john kerry is clearly battle tested. the president...
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john edwards and john kerry. then they came back and when the "was whether or not you provide them with the resources they needed, they voted against it. i couldn't figure out why that happened initially. and then i looked and figured out was howard dean was making major progress with the democratic primaries based on an anti-war record so they in effect decided they would cast an anti-war vote and they would vote against the troops. if they couldn't stand up to the pressures howard dean represented, how can we expect them to stand up to al qaeda. >> senator edwards, you have 90 seconds to respond. >> a long resume does not equal good judgment. we have seen over and over the misjudgments made by this administration. i want to go back to what the vice president just said because it's a continuation of the things they've been doing, unfortunately, on the campaign trail. a continuation of what began his first answer with tonight. john kerry has voted for the biggest military appropriations bill in the country's hist
john edwards and john kerry. then they came back and when the "was whether or not you provide them with the resources they needed, they voted against it. i couldn't figure out why that happened initially. and then i looked and figured out was howard dean was making major progress with the democratic primaries based on an anti-war record so they in effect decided they would cast an anti-war vote and they would vote against the troops. if they couldn't stand up to the pressures howard dean...
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john kerry is a formidable challenger there. he'll stand in as mitt romney. one thing we're reporting is both sides trying to lower expectations heading into the debate on wednesday, which is key for both candidates, alex. >> for themselves and increasing them for the other guy. that's what they're doing right now. thank you so much. let's bring in the political power panel. jonathan kapart, and chris cofinus and jackie gingrich kushman, author and daughter of newt gingrich and former adviser to her father's presidential campaign. welcome to the throuee of you. five days is all mitt romney has before the debate. the politico article everybody is talking about today say this isn't the chair or ho hum convention or the leaked video or distorted polls or the message or mormonism. it's mitt. does he have enough time for a real game change? >> you know, five days before the first debate, 40 days before election day people go around the country already are starting to vote early voting in a bunch of states across the country. it's unclear whether there's enough tim
john kerry is a formidable challenger there. he'll stand in as mitt romney. one thing we're reporting is both sides trying to lower expectations heading into the debate on wednesday, which is key for both candidates, alex. >> for themselves and increasing them for the other guy. that's what they're doing right now. thank you so much. let's bring in the political power panel. jonathan kapart, and chris cofinus and jackie gingrich kushman, author and daughter of newt gingrich and former...
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kerry had picked john edwards. john edwards turned out to be another kind of mistake, but that's another story. what the media reported even fooled gephardt's campaign manager. >> i called up dick gephardt, and i said, dick, i know you can't talk about this. he said, it never happened. i said, dick, i understand you have to deny it to me and everybody else. he said, steve, it didn't happen. >> why wouldn't you believe him when he said so-so emphatically, there was no meeting? >> you absolutely must keep the conversation going on with the nominee and -- >> lying is okay in politics, running for office? >> lying is not okay unless you're asked an inappropriate question. >> politicians have always lied. >> i'm not a crook. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman. >> the media used to give candidates privacy. even keep their secrets. they rarely pictured fdr in his wheelchair. they kept jfk's sexual activities secret. but now everything's game. that's a good thing. even though we reporters are obnoxious. >>
kerry had picked john edwards. john edwards turned out to be another kind of mistake, but that's another story. what the media reported even fooled gephardt's campaign manager. >> i called up dick gephardt, and i said, dick, i know you can't talk about this. he said, it never happened. i said, dick, i understand you have to deny it to me and everybody else. he said, steve, it didn't happen. >> why wouldn't you believe him when he said so-so emphatically, there was no meeting?...
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kerry had picked john edwards. john edwards turned out to be another kind of mistake, but that's another story. what the media reported even fooled gephardt's campaign manager. >> i called up dick gephardt, and i said, dick, i know you can't talk about this. he said, it never happened. i said, dick, i understand you have to deny it to me and everybody else. he said, steve, it didn't happen. >> why wouldn't you believe him when he said so-so emphatically, there was no meeting? >> you absolutely must keep the conversation going on with the nominee and -- >> lying is okay in politics, running for office? >> lying is not okay unless you're asked an inappropriate question. >> politicians have always lied. >> i'm not a crook. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman. >> the media used to give candidates privacy. even keep their secrets. they rarely pictured fdr in his wheelchair. they kept jfk's sexual activities secret. but now everything's game. that's a good thing. even though we reporters are obnoxious. >>
kerry had picked john edwards. john edwards turned out to be another kind of mistake, but that's another story. what the media reported even fooled gephardt's campaign manager. >> i called up dick gephardt, and i said, dick, i know you can't talk about this. he said, it never happened. i said, dick, i understand you have to deny it to me and everybody else. he said, steve, it didn't happen. >> why wouldn't you believe him when he said so-so emphatically, there was no meeting?...
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john kerry will be a guest on andrea mitchell at 1:00 eastern time. that wraps up our hour, jansing & company. alex witt is filling in for thomas roberts. what do you have next? >> you know that michael jackson song "man in the mirror"? that's what it may come down to for mitt romney. can mitt turn his campaign around with the president leading in all nine battleground states? with early voting kicking into high gear in several swing states, we look at which side has a ground game. mi mccastille the world... . heir students achieve at a higher level. let's develop more stars in education. let's invest in our teachers... ...so they can inspire our students. let's solve this. [ sneezes ] [ male announcer ] if you have yet to master the quiet sneeze... ♪ [ sneezes ] [ male announcer ] you may be an allergy muddler. try zyrtec®. it gives you powerful allergy relief. and zyrtec® is different than claritin® because zyrtec® starts working at hour 1 on the first day you take it. claritin® doesn't start working until hour 3. [ sneezes ] [ male announcer
john kerry will be a guest on andrea mitchell at 1:00 eastern time. that wraps up our hour, jansing & company. alex witt is filling in for thomas roberts. what do you have next? >> you know that michael jackson song "man in the mirror"? that's what it may come down to for mitt romney. can mitt turn his campaign around with the president leading in all nine battleground states? with early voting kicking into high gear in several swing states, we look at which side has a...
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bush and john kerry fought it out every day about the war. in 2008 we were at war, and barack obama and john mccain fought it out every day in that war. this week when the financial crisis was absolutely on fire, at that debate, they were talking about the wars. this year, president obama does bring it up, he does bring it up at most of his stump speeches, how he explains what he has done and planning on doing talking about the two wars. he doesn't have to say much more because he's speaking to an empty room. the romney campaign has no identifiable position on afghanistan. they have been unwilling and unable to hold up that side of debate and so regardless of what it means for the candidates as a country we are deprived of a national discussion about a war we are in. 70,000 american families having skin in the game right now. we have -- that's part of the reason i'm looking forward to the debates. some ways sort of a post-policy campaign. and you can't do that in a debate, at least unless the debate is really bad. >> this is -- this is billed
bush and john kerry fought it out every day about the war. in 2008 we were at war, and barack obama and john mccain fought it out every day in that war. this week when the financial crisis was absolutely on fire, at that debate, they were talking about the wars. this year, president obama does bring it up, he does bring it up at most of his stump speeches, how he explains what he has done and planning on doing talking about the two wars. he doesn't have to say much more because he's speaking to...
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john kerry in '04. >> this is somebody who proved he's going to run to the finish line last night. >> much more to come, special post debate edition of the daily rundown in denver. big supporters for both campaigns here to break down the debate. senator orrin hatch on behalf of mitt romney and governor mark o'malley on behalf of president obama. president obama does two rallies. one in denver. one in madison, wisconsin. then heads home. mitt romney, nothing here. flies and joins paul ryan in virginia later today. you're watching "the daily rundown" only on msnbc. new prilosec otc wildberry is the same frequent heartburn treatment as prilosec otc. now with a fancy coating that gives you a burst of wildberry flavor. now why make a flavored heartburn pill? because this is america. and we don't just make things you want, we make things you didn't even know you wanted. like a spoon fork. spray cheese. and jeans made out of sweatpants. so grab yourself some new prilosec otc wildberry. [ male announcer ] one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn. satisfaction guaranteed or your money b
john kerry in '04. >> this is somebody who proved he's going to run to the finish line last night. >> much more to come, special post debate edition of the daily rundown in denver. big supporters for both campaigns here to break down the debate. senator orrin hatch on behalf of mitt romney and governor mark o'malley on behalf of president obama. president obama does two rallies. one in denver. one in madison, wisconsin. then heads home. mitt romney, nothing here. flies and joins...
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romney and john kerry knows a bit about debating, the democrats' 2004 nominee. and mitt romney goes to colorado monday and the debate is wednesday. besides the preparation, we're seeing both campaigns trying to low low expectations. not just campaigns, listen to governor romney. >> he's president of the united states and an eloquent speaker. >> he's a very eloquent speaker and in his debate last time with senator mccain, he'll be very eloquent. >> reporter: the whole idea is lower the bar and if you're doing well you beat expectations and win the debate, the spin they're playing. listen to stephanie from the obama campaign. >> what history tells us that challengers normally win the first debate just by the fact they're standing on the stage with the president. that elevates them and normally come into this as underdogs. we're coming into this very realistic mitt romney is likely to win if he plays his cards right. >> reporter: while the candidates themselves are laying low today, the running mates will be in the spotlight. >> tell us about what paul ryan is doin
romney and john kerry knows a bit about debating, the democrats' 2004 nominee. and mitt romney goes to colorado monday and the debate is wednesday. besides the preparation, we're seeing both campaigns trying to low low expectations. not just campaigns, listen to governor romney. >> he's president of the united states and an eloquent speaker. >> he's a very eloquent speaker and in his debate last time with senator mccain, he'll be very eloquent. >> reporter: the whole idea is...
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in 2004, john kerry out-raised president bush, and we all know how that turned out. so i think, you know, yes, he raised a lot of money. the president, or, excuse me, governor romney has raised $12 million since wednesday. so it's been a shot in the arm for the romney campaign too. >> and that's online as well. >> it's 60% -- >> we're not talking about major donors. we're talking about people who saw his debate and liked what they saw. >> 60% of them are new donors. so i think the romney campaign is very pleased with this. and what you saw tuesday night in the debate, you took the money off the table, you had the president and governor trromney speaking unfiltered to the people, and people really liked what they heard from mitt romney. >> but some people might not consider exactly what mitt romney said as unfiltered. take a listen to what he said about cutting taxes for people during the republican primary compared to what he said on wednesday. let's play back two clips, so take a listen. >> nouumber one, i said today tt we're going to cut taxes on everybody across t
in 2004, john kerry out-raised president bush, and we all know how that turned out. so i think, you know, yes, he raised a lot of money. the president, or, excuse me, governor romney has raised $12 million since wednesday. so it's been a shot in the arm for the romney campaign too. >> and that's online as well. >> it's 60% -- >> we're not talking about major donors. we're talking about people who saw his debate and liked what they saw. >> 60% of them are new donors. so i...
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responding to jibes from john kerry playing mitt romney? >> well, the mood is a lot of hard work, you know, he's been able to take a couple of trips, you know, to the hoover dam and he went to visit our field office, but, you know, he's putting good time in to get ready for this debate. as you know we had to cut back other debate prep because of the job of being president, but he's taken the criticism well and i think that you'll see him show up tonight well prepared. >> there is a foreign policy debate exploding around him and this is supposed to be a domestic policy debate. the question now as darrell issa and know jason chav fits right letters to hillary clinton demanding answers to what happened in benghazi, questions about whether people there asked for more security, whether there was an intelligence failure, there's talk of plans for retaliation, if the targeting can be found, what is the response to the republican criticism and criticism from some democrats that this was not handled well? >> well, i'll leave some of the details to m
responding to jibes from john kerry playing mitt romney? >> well, the mood is a lot of hard work, you know, he's been able to take a couple of trips, you know, to the hoover dam and he went to visit our field office, but, you know, he's putting good time in to get ready for this debate. as you know we had to cut back other debate prep because of the job of being president, but he's taken the criticism well and i think that you'll see him show up tonight well prepared. >> there is a...
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>> the president's in nevada doing some debate prep with john kerry. the massachusetts senator, who's playing mitt romney in debate sessions. romney has been in massachusetts, with ohio senator rob portman. the obama stand-in. in his debate prep. he's going out to denver later today. the mission for obama is to come across, you know, show some kind of empathy. you know, he's always been criticized for being a little cold and aloof. so his campaign is working on that. for romney, you know, he's got to fundamentally change the way this race is right now, he's got -- he's trailing by about five points in both states, and nationally. one thing that's interesting, "new york times" did a piece this weekend looking at the debate strategy and there's a line that jumped out to me. it said this, mr. romney's team has concluded that debates are about creating moments, and has equipped him with a series of zingers that he has memorized and has been practicing on aides since august. those of us, you and you, john, in particular, who've been watching mitt romney for
>> the president's in nevada doing some debate prep with john kerry. the massachusetts senator, who's playing mitt romney in debate sessions. romney has been in massachusetts, with ohio senator rob portman. the obama stand-in. in his debate prep. he's going out to denver later today. the mission for obama is to come across, you know, show some kind of empathy. you know, he's always been criticized for being a little cold and aloof. so his campaign is working on that. for romney, you know,...
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for president obama his foe mitt romney, massachusetts senator john kerry. they've been working on this debate for months and months. an interesting story over the weekend, a passage about what mitt romney's been doing. this from the "new york times." it says, "mr. romney's team has concluded that debates are about creating moments and has equipped him with a series of zingers he has memorizened and has been tracksing on aides since august." now, they're right debates are about moments but ain an amusin image. mitt romney sitting in a room peppering them with zingers. i would like to be on the wall hearing that. >> not about zingers, serious substantive policy. and in "the washington post" showing a virtual dead heat with the president and mitt romney. obama with a slight edge. 49-47%. t also in this survey, it delves down into the expectations game for this debate. what can you tell me about those numbers, peter? >> reporter: despite what chris christie said, and that is sort of another mixed message coming out of the romney campaign, romney is winning the
for president obama his foe mitt romney, massachusetts senator john kerry. they've been working on this debate for months and months. an interesting story over the weekend, a passage about what mitt romney's been doing. this from the "new york times." it says, "mr. romney's team has concluded that debates are about creating moments and has equipped him with a series of zingers he has memorizened and has been tracksing on aides since august." now, they're right debates are...
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he will be joined by senator john kerry who is playing the role of republican presidential nominee mitt romney. >>> there is trouble for florida's republican party where a voter registration controversy is brewing. the state's party fired a private consulting firm it hired to help registered voters after learning it may have submitted fraudulent registration forms. suspicious forms have been discovered in at least five florida counties. >>> rick santorum says mitt romney and the republicans should support todd akin. santorum says an akin win is necessary. akin is challenging democratic senator claire mccaskill. he has been criticized by both democrats and republicans for using the term legitimate rape. >>> down ballot politics are next with maryland governor martin o'malley and missouri senator roy blunt. [ male announcer ] now you can swipe... scroll... tap... pinch... and zoom... in your car. introducing the all-new cadillac xts with cue. ♪ don't worry. we haven't forgotten, you still like things to push. [ engine revs ] the all-new cadillac xts has arrived, and it's bringing the fu
he will be joined by senator john kerry who is playing the role of republican presidential nominee mitt romney. >>> there is trouble for florida's republican party where a voter registration controversy is brewing. the state's party fired a private consulting firm it hired to help registered voters after learning it may have submitted fraudulent registration forms. suspicious forms have been discovered in at least five florida counties. >>> rick santorum says mitt romney and...
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people who ran, i know a couple of senators who ran i think first in 1983 like john kerry. he said in his campaign the issue never came up because there was no clash. there was no conflict. part of the deal was, i mean, look, obama and speaker boehner would have a much harder time making a deal because they had problems in both of their parties as they say, but in talking about this with them if they'd had -- what's the word? -- courage to say let's make a deal and go out, get before the microphones and the cameras and say this is what it's going to be, and this is going to be painful, and we're going to ask all democrats and republicans to vote for it because we have to protect our financial future, because that's what it's about at the end. they essentially told me they thought it would work, that they could have done it. and, of course, they did not. yes. >> are bob, that's a good lead-in to my question. the grand bargain that came to the floor towards the end, the president put entitlements on the table. i don't recall the world unraveling from that notion. how real do
people who ran, i know a couple of senators who ran i think first in 1983 like john kerry. he said in his campaign the issue never came up because there was no clash. there was no conflict. part of the deal was, i mean, look, obama and speaker boehner would have a much harder time making a deal because they had problems in both of their parties as they say, but in talking about this with them if they'd had -- what's the word? -- courage to say let's make a deal and go out, get before the...
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bush came in with a lead, not huge, he came in to play for a draw and john kerry came in to win. the exact same happened tonight. mitt romney came in to win this debate with passion and it looked as if the president came in, as long as i play for a draw, i keep a lead and go forward. if that's the case, i think a very close race just got a lot closer. >> really? played for a draw and succeeded? >> no, the president played for a draw, but the guy that comes in and plays for a win usually gets the victory. >> does a tie go to the challenger? >> i think it will go to the president, because he is the income dent. i believe mitt romney did himself a lot of good. he came to play. he came to change the script in this campaign and he was able to do that tonight by talking about the things that he's done in a bipartisan fashion, but i think the president had to lay out what he will do in the future. he was able to do that. but tonight, mitt romney was a little bit more aggressive than the president. >> and austin, president obama trying to go against mitt romney's tax plan, but you saw ti
bush came in with a lead, not huge, he came in to play for a draw and john kerry came in to win. the exact same happened tonight. mitt romney came in to win this debate with passion and it looked as if the president came in, as long as i play for a draw, i keep a lead and go forward. if that's the case, i think a very close race just got a lot closer. >> really? played for a draw and succeeded? >> no, the president played for a draw, but the guy that comes in and plays for a win...
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absolutely right, i think it's a striking analogy but guess what, john kerry lost by the same amount he was trailing before that debate. so that gets to the question whether debates really have, whether they really matter that much. and i went back and looked at every debate and every poll before and after since 1960, and the only candidate who gained substantially from debates, jerry ford who blew the biggest debate night of his career. so i'm skeptical, particularly with a rather small group of persuadeables, even though mike murphy may be right i'm skeptical this is really going to change the playing field a lot. >> rose: mike murphy, how would you convince him. >> i think what happens now is romney has a huge opportunity because what happened tonight is not really a static thing, it's part of a dynamic process. so now, obama will fight off the process stories for a while. there's new interest in romney. they saw a guy tonight that a lot of the country would see romney through the filter of advertising saying wait a minute this is an interesting guy. the romney campaign is going t
absolutely right, i think it's a striking analogy but guess what, john kerry lost by the same amount he was trailing before that debate. so that gets to the question whether debates really have, whether they really matter that much. and i went back and looked at every debate and every poll before and after since 1960, and the only candidate who gained substantially from debates, jerry ford who blew the biggest debate night of his career. so i'm skeptical, particularly with a rather small group...